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NO SPOILERS in this conversation with bestselling and award-winning author Tia Williams!!

*** Tia tells us about The Perfect Find, a story of Jenna, a 40-year-old fashion editor who was the \\u201cit girl\\u201d with a sparkly life, but then loses it all overnight. Jenna has to find a way to reinvent herself and in doing so finds herself in a whole new world, working for her frenemy, and falling in love with someone half her age. (03:02)

*** Tia gets personal and shares that Jenna is autobiographical. Tia invented Jenna as a way to write herself out of the hell that she was in personally. Talk about manifesting your dreams! (04:28)

*** An amazing passage in the book about complicated women has us chatting about Tia\\u2019s love of writing and her ability to pay attention to people and the way they relate to one another. We loved hearing about how she uses writing to re-write the world in a way that makes sense to her. (08:56)

*** Female friendship is on display in this novel, and in real life, it is everything to Tia. Her \\u201cestrogen connection\\u201d is super powerful. She\\u2019s the girl to invite to your next slumber party! (15:35)

*** After a brief detour into discussing Fleabag and things only a woman could write authentically, we discuss the \\u201cTyler Perry shade\\u201d in The Perfect Find. Tia tells us why it is so important for her as a Black commercial fiction writer to show the layers, depth, and variation in her characters. Being Black isn\'t one thing. (18:03)

*** We love Tia\\u2019s picks for the complicated women that inspire her. They are larger than life women who are honest about their messy lives. (23:53)

***As always, we talk astrology...Tia is a \\u201cpure Leo\\u201d which makes Kate (a fellow Leo) feel truly seen! Carinn talks ambition with Tia and in true Leo fashion she tells us that she always wants more. (25:10)

*** The Perfect Find has landed at Netflix, with Gabrielle Union producing and starring, so we chatted with Tia about the role she plans to play in the adaptation. Listen to hear how a vision board Tia made years and years ago predicted all of this and why we\\u2019re dusting our own off now! (30:21)

*** Tia tells us about Seven Days In June, her fifth novel coming out next summer. It is about an author and single mother who writes a vampire erotics series and runs into her \\u201cone that got away\\u201d at a writer\\u2019s panel. Turns out the two have both been writing about each other for years. Once reunited all kinds of drama ensues over those 7 days in June. We cannot wait for this! (34:25)

*** Tia shares how a connection with a mentor in her first job turned into a wonderful partnership with her now literary agent. Speaking of connections, Carinn shares one with Tia\\u2019s sister! (37:02)

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