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**Complicated Woman Rating (Jen & Judy) Kate unpacks the many layers of grieving widow Jen, including her defining characteristic: anger. Carinn describes Judy a liar and a murderer, but acknowledges her other positive attributes, particularly as she relates to Jen. Both agree these two women are complicated and that their friendship is the heart of this show. (01:38)

**Jen or Judy - who do we relate to more? Kate declares \\u201cit\\u2019s not even close\\u201d -- she feels like she\'s all Jen. Carinn relates to Jen\\u2019s anger (as we\'ll hear first hand later!) but notes that we each have a little Judy in us. (10:56)

**Conflict is all around. Carinn observes that conflict is present in every element of this show: the characters, the setting, and the music. The cinematography and setting create brilliant visual tension. The music is also another level of conflict: dark scenes and content being narrated by old-fashioned upbeat songs. (16:11)

**Scenes: love, lies, and manslaughter

Kate discusses the pilot episode\\u2019s many plot reveals and reversals, including when Jen discovers that Judy is lying and Steve is not actually dead and that Judy is the one that killed Jen\\u2019s husband, Ted (19:09);

The episode on Ted\\u2019s birthday/celebration of life was full of surprises, but Carinn especially loves the tension of the notes in the balloons and what might be revealed, including Ted\\u2019s affair (27:58);

Kate recounts the scene where Jen and Judy confront Ted\\u2019s mistress and how the two of them help each other with their respective relationship issues, but in the end Carinn is pissed at Judy\\u2019s selfish reveal to Jen that Ted killed her to his mistress (32:33);

Carinn talks about the Friends of Heaven retreat, which brings poignant empathy for Judy who struggles with whether she is \\u201cbroken\\u201d in the miscarriage workshop scene and shows another example of something that could only have been written by a woman (42:32);

Kate loves the scene where Jen finally confesses to Judy, which is more than just Judy finally coming clean, it turns out to be one of the most vulnerable scenes for Jen (49:08);

Carinn brings it home with a discussion of the finale when Jen evens the score as Steve floats face down in the pool. (53:53) 

**What She Said - Liz Feldman. Kate reveals why Liz Feldman leaned into Jen\\u2019s anger, which turned out to be more than likable - it\\u2019s completely relatable. Carinn talks about a quote on Liz Feldman\\u2019s duality, which is so present in Jen and Judy, concluding that tapping into one\\u2019s duality is where the magic happens. (57:28)

**Crystal ball. Carinn and Kate speculate about what\\u2019s coming for Jen & Judy in Season Two, which will be released soon. (70:41)

**Takeaways. Kate\\u2019s takeaway comes from another Liz Feldman quote about the secret to creating something authentic: find your wound and then try to find a way to express it. Carinn\\u2019s takeaway shines a light on friends and creative partners who act as mirrors, reminding you of who you are and who you\'ve always been...like US! (75:50) 

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