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b"Today Gregory is joined on the podcast by Daniel Schmachtenberger and Jason Snyder. Daniel is the founder of the Civilization Research Initiative focused on finding a way through the twin attractors of increasing global catastrophic risks and control dystopias, addressing the underlying drivers of each and the unanticipated effects of our aggregate choices. Jason is a professor in Sustainable Development at Appalachian State University, a homesteader, permaculturist, and producer/host of the Doomer Optimism podcast.\\n\\nWhat is \\u201chigh nature,\\u201d and what is its relation to high-tech? Can both co-exist? Gregory, Daniel and Jason discuss how to apply tools of coordination and technology in a way that regenerates the planet rather than depletes it, the urgency to create local resilience, and the importance of improved coordination around carbon credits. \\n\\nFollow Daniel's work at civilizationemerging.com\\nFind Jason on Twitter @cognazor\\n\\nThis episode of the podcast will be co-released with the Doomer Optimism podcast\\u2014be sure to tune in and support. Learn more about the Doomer Optimism podcast at www.doomeroptimism.com."