Mary Payne is joined by tech reporter Jennings Brown, host of The Gateway podcast. This show is all about spiritual guru Teal Swan, who draws followers in through her hypnotic self-help videos aimed at people who struggle with depression and suicidal thoughts. Some argue that she leads a cult, and even she admits she has the perfect recipe for one. Some say she just has influence thanks to modern social media, and Mary Payne and Jennings discuss her followers and her ability to maintain her hold on people through the internet. Mary Payne and Jennings explore whether Teal Swan and her "teaching" is responsible for the suicide of one or more of her followers. There is a trigger warning for this episode and The Gateway podcast overall, as it discusses suicide and the impacts it has on people. Podcast Recommendations Uncover:Escaping NXIVM The Dream Running From Cops Find Jennings Brown At: Instagram/Twitter: @tjenningsbrown Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices