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b'Richard Wiley on what\'s next in high def TV ~\\n\\n"Ultra high definition is great. Then there\'s an even ... double that, coming up in Japan. Super high vision. So, it\'s just going to keep going. The only problem is, there\'s only so much that the human eye can absorb."\\n\\nRichard Wiley Chairman Emeritus Wiley Rein LLP and Former FCC Chairman, with Andy Ockershausen in-studio interview\\n\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tThis is Our Town. This is Andy Ockershausen, and we\'re introducing to our podcast one of the more famous regulators in the history of broadcasting. The man was a Commissioner, he was a General Counsel, he became Chairman of the FCC. He is one of the most important people in the history of broadcasting, and we\'re so delighted to have Dick Wiley here in Our Town.\\nRichard Wiley:\\tAndy, thank you. It\'s a pleasure and a privilege to be with you once again! And we\'re still clicking, you know?\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tYou\'re clicking, I\'m clicking, thank God Janice keeps me clicking. But Dick, you\'ve had such an illustrious life, career, and everything, before you went to straight-when you left the government. But you were such an important part of the growth of broadcast to me, and Our Town, and in the world. And what you did as Commissioner, and if you remember the days that I would call on you with Dick Chapin-\\nRichard Wiley: Absolutely.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\t ... from Nebraska. We were always interested in what the Commission was doing, and what you were doing. And it helped our industry tremendously.\\nRichard Wiley and others at Federal Communications Commission Worked to Eliminate Outmoded Regulations in the 70s\\nRichard Wiley:\\tWell, we were trying to eliminate some of the old, outmoded regulations. The industry had changed and grown, and prospered, and the regulations remained the same. So, you and Dick were bringing in good ideas to try to make some changes.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tAnd before you would make them, Dean Burch was trying the same thing-\\nRichard Wiley:\\tAbsolutely. Absolutely. He was my predecessor.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tYeah, well he was your predecessor-\\nRichard Wiley:\\tGreat guy.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tBut he was never General Counsel like you are.\\nRichard Wiley:\\tNo.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tI remember when you were the General Counsel-\\nRichard Wiley:\\tI was his General Counsel.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tThat\'s it. That\'s correct. That was quite a team at the time, because you were on the same team, everybody\'s trying to get rid of these ridiculous restrictions. In addition ... Restrictions are good but when they\'re ridiculous, they\'re awful.\\nRichard Wiley:\\tWell, as life goes on, the industries change, technology changes, the regulation can\'t stay the same. And I think that\'s what we started. They\'ve certainly gone much beyond where we were in the \'70\'s. This was the \'70\'s, Andy-\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tOh, I know! I remember that. Oh my God. But there was such a growth period in the industry in the \'70\'s-\\nRichard Wiley:\\tReally was.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\t... was incredible, with the networks and-\\nNew Technologies Entered Market in the 70s | Satellite | Cable | Internet\\nRichard Wiley:\\tAnd other technologies were coming in at the time. Satellite, you know-\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tWe didn\'t know what they were.\\nRichard Wiley:\\t... television, and cable, you know - nobody wondered whether cable was going to do anything, became of course, a very dynamic industry. And now we\'ve got the internet, which has changed everything.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tJust the modest changes that we made in radio at the time, because everything was on a little disc and we had no tapes. It was ancient. Now all that is gone, Dick. Everything is gone up here somewhere, and we don\'t know where it is, but it works. We could watch a tape in a tape recorder, but we can\'t watch it now.\\nRichard Wiley:\\tAbsolutely.\\nAndy Ockershausen:\\tBut Dick, tell me now, you\'ve had such an illustrious career,'