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b'Mariann and Jasmin ask what it would mean to go back to "normal" for animals after a pandemic and if we actually want to go back to that, debate what is "essential" during a pandemic, and share how they spent their Seders. We also continue our Supporting Vegan Businesses program by shouting out Lagusta\'s Luscious, Besties, Nature\'s Plate, and Plant-Based Grocery. Later in the episode, Mariann brings us Rising Anxieties! Jasmin interviews Lenore Braford and Paul Drake of Piedmont Farm Animal Refuge about the unique animal-specific architecture they designed and built to accommodate the rescued animals at their sanctuary. By paying critical attention to the different needs of the array of animals on site and utilizing their design training, Lenore and Paul have created a sanctuary that aims to mimic as closely as possible the natural habitats of their animal population. They talk about why this is so important, and they share some of their knowledge and tips for anyone who is looking to do similar work even just at the microsanctuary level. (22:00) Mariann brings us Rising Anxieties about "eating less meat" during a pandemic. (54:30)'