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I\'ve known Joe and John Lombardo since the mid-1990s, when I met them while working at a restaurant called Marie Callender\'s\\xa0in Ventura, California. As an alienated, nerdy teenager, I looked up to the Lombardo brothers as models of a different kind of man than the jocks and surfers I was surrounded by\\xa0in\\xa0high school. In hindsight, they were my first encounter with hipsterism, and they taught me a lot about being cool. In this conversation, they tell me about their own upbringing, how they came to punk music as a saving grace, encounters with Kurt Cobain, Courtney Love, and Richard Simmons, and\\xa0why they think\\xa0the alternative rock scene of the 1990s was\\xa0the\\xa0last great moment in\\xa0American counterculture. \\xa0

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