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I've known Joe and John Lombardo since the mid-1990s, when I met them while working at a restaurant called Marie Callender's\xa0in Ventura, California. As an alienated, nerdy teenager, I looked up to the Lombardo brothers as models of a different kind of man than the jocks and surfers I was surrounded by\xa0in\xa0high school. In hindsight, they were my first encounter with hipsterism, and they taught me a lot about being cool. In this conversation, they tell me about their own upbringing, how they came to punk music as a saving grace, encounters with Kurt Cobain, Courtney Love, and Richard Simmons, and\xa0why they think\xa0the alternative rock scene of the 1990s was\xa0the\xa0last great moment in\xa0American counterculture. \xa0

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