First there was DevOps, then SecOps, then DevSecOps. Or should that be SecDevOps? Paul Ducklin talks to Sophos X-Ops insider Matt Holdcroft about how to get all your corporate "Ops" teams working together, with cybersecurity correctness as a guiding light.\n\nWith Paul Ducklin and Matt Holdcroft.\n\nOriginal music by Edith Mudge (https://www.edithmudge.com)\n\nGot questions/suggestions/stories to share?\nEmail: tips@sophos.com\nTwitter: NakedSecurity (https://twitter.com/nakedsecurity)