b'First there was DevOps, then SecOps, then DevSecOps. Or should that be SecDevOps? Paul Ducklin talks to Sophos X-Ops insider Matt Holdcroft about how to get all your corporate "Ops" teams working together, with cybersecurity correctness as a guiding light.\\n\\nWith Paul Ducklin and Matt Holdcroft.\\n\\nOriginal music by Edith Mudge (https://www.edithmudge.com)\\n\\nGot questions/suggestions/stories to share?\\nEmail: tips@sophos.com\\nTwitter: NakedSecurity (https://twitter.com/nakedsecurity)'