b'This month Bart chats with photographer and podcaster Clay Daly from the Through My Lens podcast. The conversation is wide-ranging, but loosely focused around the quetion of what is and is not photography. The same phrase came up again and again \\u2014 "the Image has to Speak for Itself".\\n\\nPlease consider supporting the show on Patreon: https://patreon.com/ltpod\\n\\nShownotes at https://lets-talk.ie/ltp66'