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Once you understand the mechanics proper dieting, getting lean isn\u2019t all that difficult.

Sure, it\u2019s never easy in the way that gaining weight is easy, but most of us can plod through a couple months of cutting to get some abs for the summer.

The real challenge is staying lean. For the long haul. That\u2019s what separates the fitness champions from the rest of the contenders.

That\u2019s why I invited my friend Marc Perry on the podcast. He\u2019s the founder of BuiltLean.com, and when it comes to staying absolutely shredded month after month, year after year, he walks the walk. He also manages to do it without losing his mind, which makes it all the more impressive.

In this show, you\u2019ll learn about the habits, systems, and skills Marc has developed to stay ripped. Here\u2019s a little sneak peek of what you\u2019ll learn in today\u2019s interview:

• The things you do and don\u2019t have to sacrifice to stay really lean
• What kind exercise schedule it takes
• How much you can get away with \u201ccheating\u201d before it becomes a problem
• What you can expect to eat in terms of calories and macros
• The best ways to keep hunger under control throughout the day
• How to manage eating out at restaurants
• And more ...

5:05 - What it takes to stay lean for long periods of time. Specifically from psychological and lifestyle perspective.

8:05 - \xa0Where are you at right now? What are your calories and macros? What's your exercise routine?

10:31 - If you want to stay lean year-round, you need to stay active

11:05 - What do you do every morning?

19:14 - What does your diet and nutrition like?

24:56 - What about snacking?

25:43 - What about dinner?

28:40 - What about water?

31:02 - What are your calories at and how do your macros break down?

32:45 - Do you have any sugar or treats?

43:10 - What about eating out?

51:41 - What about alcohol? What effects does it have?

52:43 - How do you navigate social life if you want to stay lean?

55:13 - How are the cold showers going? \xa0\xa0

58:02 - Where can people find you and your work?

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