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CJ is an ex-con with a knowledge of racial tension, a heart for social justice, and a desire to help end the school to prison pipeline.

We realize we're just a couple of white guys, experiencing white privilege, but the reality of police violence on Black Americans has reached us, and we gotta talk about it. I Zac have the proverbial, "Black Friends", but they've always entered my world on my terms, on my comfort level. When the tides are turned, I often wonder...

“Why do I feel uncomfortable around black people?”

It's far beyond the time we need to start stepping outside of our comfort zones, cause peace isn't possible without it.

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