Tommy Pico, Eli Saslow, Emily Heller, and The Helio Sequence

Published: Oct. 23, 2020, 4:15 p.m.

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Host Luke Burbank and announcer Elena Passarello get rid of some unnecessary things; poet Tommy Pico explains how writing as his alter ego "Teebs" allows him to be less self-censoring in his work; journalist Eli Saslow discusses Derek Black \\u2013 the subject of his book Rising Out of Hatred \\u2013 and how the once-heir to the white nationalist movement made a stunning transformation; comedian Emily Heller spins gut-busting analogies to online dating; and indie rock duo The Helio Sequence performs \\u201cLately\\u201d from their album Keep Your Eyes Ahead.

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