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In this episode, Joey joined Shahin to talk about Kanban; and indulge in in-depth conversation with select audiences.

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• Kanban as a Method vs a Tool
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• Upstream and Delivery Stream
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• Stealth Kanban
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• KLR - Kanban Week
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• Q&A with JoeyScrum and/vs Kanban in large organizations 
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• Kanban in Transformation world 
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• Chaos being hidden as Expedie
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The following books we have referenced:

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• Upstream Kanban
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• Kanban essential guide
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• Kanban Blue Book
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• Agile Management Book
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• Fit For Purpose
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We mentioned the following people:

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• Mike Burrows (Also)
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• Klaus Leopold
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• Alexei Zheglov
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