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b'In this episode Rich speaks with Liz Rice from Isovalent..\\n\\nTopics include: How Liz got involved in cloud native, Kelsey Hightower\\u2019s Tetris demo, writing eBPF programs, use cases for Cilium, why she joined Isovalent, Cilium\\u2019s new service mesh, Liz\\u2019s time on the CNCF\\u2019s Technical Oversight Committee, Golang.'