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b'In this episode Rich speaks with Andr\\xe9 Henry from Venmo. Topics include: How Andr\\xe9\\u2019s mom was the first programmer he knew, working at ISPs in the 1990s, why infrastructure engineers love abstractions, Kubernetes is not a PaaS, how Docker nailed developer experience, and what may be coming for distributed computing.\\n\\nThere was a recording problem with Andr\\xe9\\u2019s audio and it\\u2019s not the clearest. It\\u2019s all Rich\\u2019s fault. But bear with it, Andr\\xe9 has some fascinating things to say.'