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b'Francesca Gino is a professor/affiliated with Harvard\\u2019s Business, Law, and Kennedy Schools.\\xa0She is the author of Rebel Talent: Why It Pays to Break All the Rules in Work and in Life. She also recently published an article in Harvard Business Review on Why Curiosity Matters - The Business Case for Curiosity. Brian Ardinger, Inside Outside Innovation founder, talks with Francesca, about when rule breaking happens and what happens to people that do it successfully.\\n\\nCuriosity\\nCuriosity is an important driver behind the experience of rule breaking.\\xa0\\nWe are born with lots of curiosity, but it starts declining at five years old.\\xa0\\nWhen people join new jobs, they have high curiosity, but in 9 months, their curiosity has dropped 20%.\\xa0What can companies do to keep that high?\\n\\nWhat can organizations do to support curiosity?\\n- Change the mindset about what curiosity can do.\\xa0\\n- Good for business and leaders to model behavior. Ask What if we changed \\u2026\\n- Hard to know what outcomes of questions are.\\xa0As How and What questions.\\n\\nAre there different ways to measure curiosity?\\n- Intuit has innovation and failure awards (lessons learned and comes with a party).\\n- Wake for Startups ending\\n- A company gave 1 hr for lunch and 1 hr for culture.\\xa0Then opened a library in the manufacturing plant.\\xa0\\n\\nRebel Talent\\n- People who challenge rules for positive change\\n- Talents include curiosity, novelty, perspective, diversity, and authenticity.\\n- You can foster each trait.\\xa0Releasing a sculpture from a block.\\xa0Don\\u2019t have to be born a rebel, but bring those traits out.\\xa0\\n\\nCan curiosity be effective in moving an organization forward?\\xa0\\n- Thoughtfulness by leaders.\\xa0\\n- Develop Performance Goals and Learning Goals.\\xa0\\n\\nObstacles to overcome?\\n- Leadership level.\\xa0Sense of fear. If you allow for curiosity, you\\u2019ll end up in chains.\\xa0Allowing curiosity says I trust you.\\xa0\\n- Employee side - Change starts with each one of us.\\xa0\\n\\nHow do you hire Rebels?\\n- Pay attention to answers matching skills.\\xa0E.g. - Hiring people with different perspectives than you.\\n\\nIf you want to find out more about Francesca or her book check out rebeltalents.org.\\xa0There is a FREE test, with no email required, that tells you which type of Rebel you are.\\xa0\\n\\nIf you enjoyed this podcast, you might also enjoy:\\n\\nEp. 126 \\u2013 Barry O\\u2019Reilly, Author of Unlearn & Lean Enterprise\\nEp. 117 \\u2013 Nicole Rufuku, Author of Hiring for the Innovation Economy\\nEp. 109 \\u2013 Greg Larkin, Corporate Entrepreneur and Author of \\u201cThis Might Get Me Fired\\u201d\\n\\nFind this episode of\\xa0Inside Outside Innovation at\\xa0insideoutside.io. You can also listen\\xa0on\\xa0Acast,\\xa0iTunes,\\xa0Sticher, Spotify, and\\xa0Google Play.\\n\\xa0\\nFREE INNOVATION NEWSLETTER\\nGet the latest episodes of the Inside Outside Innovation podcast, in addition to thought leadership in the form of blogs, innovation resources, videos, and invitations to exclusive events. SUBSCRIBE HERE For information regarding your data privacy, visit acast.com/privacy'