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Even when he had to smuggle a new aquarium into the storage, he would not back down. That's a rule number one for a pet lover or any other hobbyist really since it is easier to ask for forgiveness rather than asking your spouse permission! :) Owning 15 aquarium with vast varieties ecosystem in each of them, G\\xf6tz really got his hands on. This particular fascination started years ago when he was still 8-9 years old in Germany. And only when he moved to Indonesia, he had the will to restart this long lost passion to an actual hobby. Through this discussion, not only I learned that Indonesia's aquascaping is well-known and well-respected globally, but also that if your interest is particularly within fresh water fishes, then Indonesia is the place to do this aquarium type of setting. G\\xf6tz's background in forestry, sustainability, and land use related matters may come very handy with this love of his. What do you know in 30 minutes, I learned that fish excrement may be useful for the plants around them with the help of certain bacteria. Also I gained an understanding that when fish in your tanks are starting to breed, therein lies a remarkable sensation of pure delight kicks their way in. You have the sense that your fish really do appreciate and comfortable to that ecosystem that you spent hours a week to caring for. Tuned in and hopefully you enjoy the conversation! @inibukandiskusi