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It’s hard to demand fair pay when you don’t actually know you’re being underpaid. Data engineer Megan shares her eye-opening and humbling experience with the practice of pay transparency on the job and explains how it ultimately empowered her at the negotiation table. Newly elected New York Guild President Susan DeCarava speaks on the importance of taking collective action against pay discrimination, and how pay transparency benefits everyone in the workplace, especially Black women.

Due to the pandemic, this interview was recorded by Zoom and/or phone. To view a full transcript of this episode, visit www.inthesetimes.com/inthegap. 

In The Gap was created with the support of the Leonard C. Goodman Institute for Investigative Reporting and In These Times magazine.

Contact the show at podcast@inthesetimes.com.