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In this week\'s episode, we discuss two "The Art of ..." interviews from the Paris Review: one on the essay with Hilton Als, and another with Geoff Dyer about nonfiction in general. Also: our mutual love of Mrs. Dalloway, Elena\\u2019s study abroad experience, our rocky resumption of vaccinated socializing, Val Kilmer has a documentary, a couple of weird bird stories, one sad cat story, a lightning round about celebrities, lots of interviewing talk, and more!
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\\n\\u201cThe Art of the Essay\\u201d with Hilton Als (subscription required):\\nhttps://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/7178/the-art-of-the-essay-no-3-hilton-als
\\n\\u201cThe Art of Nonfiction\\u201d with Geoff Dyer (same):\\nhttps://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6282/the-art-of-nonfiction-no-6-geoff-dyer
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