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In this week's episode, we discuss two "The Art of ..." interviews from the Paris Review: one on the essay with Hilton Als, and another with Geoff Dyer about nonfiction in general. Also: our mutual love of Mrs. Dalloway, Elena\u2019s study abroad experience, our rocky resumption of vaccinated socializing, Val Kilmer has a documentary, a couple of weird bird stories, one sad cat story, a lightning round about celebrities, lots of interviewing talk, and more!

Links:

\u201cThe Art of the Essay\u201d with Hilton Als (subscription required):\nhttps://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/7178/the-art-of-the-essay-no-3-hilton-als

\u201cThe Art of Nonfiction\u201d with Geoff Dyer (same):\nhttps://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6282/the-art-of-nonfiction-no-6-geoff-dyer

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