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b'In his Pentecost 3 sermon Clay takes on how we get forgiveness, challenging the church\'s notion that Jesus death on the cross had anything to do with it. Neither does God. God doesn\'t forgive us. Listen as to why.\\n\\n"This understanding reduces the crucifixion to an accountant\\u2019s ledger. The balance sheet of our souls is out of whack. Our debts have to be reconciled. We couldn\\u2019t do it, so God made payment in full with Jesus\\u2019 life. Considering their context it was a reasonable leap for those first Christians to make. Yet, I can\\u2019t help thinking it\\u2019s too bad they didn\\u2019t have Luke\\u2019s story of Simon and the woman of ill repute to reflect on. We might have been spared two millennia of blood sacrifice and Christian imposed guilt." Read full text at http://www.stmatthews.org.nz/nav.php?sid=327&id=735,'