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Are you the one aiming at the moon? Or the one with the plan to get there? Teachers Natalie Chama-Pup\\xe9 and Karl Pup\\xe9 talk to Viv Groskop about respect, discipline, humour - and about how they inspire and ground each other.
Do check out Karl Pup\\xe9\'s book The Action Hero Teacher
And Viv\'s new book Lift As You Climb.
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