Are you the one aiming at the moon? Or the one with the plan to get there? Teachers Natalie Chama-Pup\xe9 and Karl Pup\xe9 talk to Viv Groskop about respect, discipline, humour - and about how they inspire and ground each other.
Do check out Karl Pup\xe9's book The Action Hero Teacher
And Viv's new book Lift As You Climb.