Two years ago horrific footage of Australian sheep dying on a ship to the Middle East led to a change in our live export laws. This week a ship will break those laws, sailing with an exemption from the Federal Government. So what will happen to those sheep? Also, debutante balls are an elitist, white tradition that are now being used by young Indigenous women to reclaim and progress their rights in Australia. We speak to actor Miranda Tapsell and playwright Nakkiah Lui about their new podcast Debutante: Race, Resistance and Girl Power.