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b"I have known Robina for over 30 years, she is one of New Zealand\\u2019s most experienced Permaculture teachers. She is now an elder and is passing on the torch, sharing the taking on of roles, responsibilities, plus the methodology of a Permaculture educator and designer. She has been extending the Permaculture philosophy of our social needs, the inner being and the \\u2018invisibles\\u2019 that link the web of life - on numerous levels. Having a similar world view to Robina, Courtney too relates closely to indigenous ways of becoming more aligned within the localised environment. Going beyond but inclusive of the the importance of the physical environment, they are looking at the social needs of both family and community, the inner being - our inner landscape and the \\u2018invisibles\\u2019 the agreements and codes of conduct - that we all embrace as we embed our being into \\xa0the web of life - on numerous levels. Robina relates her story of taking Permaculture out into the world. Robina tells of her South African Permaculture venture where the NZ High Commission at that time, assisted in financing her with putting in a Permaculture system. The task in the late 1990\\u2019s was to change the school ground which were basically of sand \\xa0\\u2013 \\xa0into a productive learning environment \\xa0along with Josee Le bel her NZ colleague.It was a dangerous assignment as they were the only two European people in that locality. Plus, Daniel Nepia who with Maori whakapapa \\u2013 (bloodlines), was seen to be coloured. This initiative just took off and now it has been replicated around South Africa and it now fairly well embedded as a practice or way forward or blueprint in future education within South African Government structure. Robina says it was challenging \\u2026 and that she also worked with squatter settlement leaders and totally redesigned from a permaculture perspective - permaculture values and permaculture principles \\u2013 their squatter settlements that were predominantly tin shacks with shelter being basically knocked together \\xa0- but they could also easily knock them down again. So afterwards, when Robina\\u2019s left, they, through a participatory process redesigned everything and knocking it all down replaced the settlement along permaculture lines. These included gardens and water systems etc. \\xa0As an informal settlement. Yet one of her more challenging assignment was in the first world and the United States. The Suquamish a Lushootseed-speaking Native American people, located in present-day Washington in the United States. \\xa0Where they were very marginalised and living in substandard conditions and in no way were representing their previous culture with many working and gambling in casinos. To Robina it was tragic to see what had happened to them. (The same tribe that Chief Seattle was once a leader. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle) Courtney Brooke The need to know what the challenges are: Courtney Brooke who comes from the South East of the USA, sees that the local population have increased urbanisation and that farms disappeared, thus people have lost touch with growing both veggies and fruit and it is beneath their dignity to get dirt under their fingernails. \\xa0 Thus they frequent supermarkets and get their polished apples with a sticker on never daring to go out and pick an apple off a tree, or worse - pick one up off the ground for fear that there may be a worm hole in it. (that they just will not cut it out and eat it, which is still good and fresh). Such is the disconnect from nature in the first world, because it is educated (programmed) out of us. That many people in the USA \\xa0bees and wasps are bugs \\u2013 no real distinction \\u2013 get rid of them \\xa0- and weeds, as against plants. Weeds are often plants that are good, but just in the wrong place in many instances\\u2026 some are invasive whilst others are medicinal and culinary. That there is a major predominance of mono crops in America \\u2013 one is known as a lawn. A prestigious symbol of how well off we are and our well manicured lawn of a mono culture (one grass type only) is another game that is being played out. For example if a dandelion plant pops up on one\\u2019s lawn \\xa0yay it is a medicinal wild flower \\u2013 but if you are not aware that nature\\u2019s plants all have a medicinal quality and if you don\\u2019t have a relationship with the plant kingdom \\u2013 then this is just another weed that upsets the picturesque beauty of the lawn. This is where permaculture uses and values diversity on our planet. As for permaculture in NZ \\u2013 Robina says we are a humble people \\u2013 who like to grow quietly about transforming their land. It\\u2019s like if someone stumbles upon a property and asks about it or talks to a neighbour who knows about it, and maybe asks \\xa0if they could see that property and with no fanfare it grows from people talking and sharing and after a while it gets on the map and the general public hears about it. She says most people are quite grounded and eloquent and can readily talk about how they manifested their creation and often do not mind talking about it and sharing so as to inspire more uptake. \\xa0For example Robin and Robert Guyton http://foodforest.co.nz/the-guytons-riverton-food-forest-nz/ \\xa0\\xa0in Riverton the deep south of the South island and their food forest \\xa0- a plethora of fruit trees, among perennial herbs and native plants \\u2013 are thriving. \\xa0This is where they value heirloom apples and pears due to the very temperate climate and at the autumn show many growers come and share all varieties plus grafted ones too. \\xa0She says that this is deep within the culture. Also with Community Gardens Auckland Wellington and Christchurch having \\xa0many \\u2013 Auckland having over 50. \\xa0\\xa0\\xa0 See Kelmarna Gardens and their seed store \\xa0\\xa0\\xa0http://www.kelmarnagardens.nz/ Plus the Hamilton Permaculture Gardens that has a whole permaculture example among the beautiful floral landscape plus a microcosm of a backyard quarter acre section these examples are all over the country, but is not shouted out across the media. Brendan Hoare and Richard Main\\u2019s names come up with what they did with organics at Unitec here in Auckland. Courtney mentions that hui\\u2019s and meetings and gatherings that are nationally happening around NZ annually are really important in every province around the country - where issues are talked about and training courses take place. Shwe says, people are turning up to see how they can make \\u2018broken systems better\\u2019 being that permaculture is a \\u2018solutions based design system\\u2019 that is where the movement is also heading \\u2013 be it a landscape system or a social system. It is like looking into the book of nature and perusing the underlying patterns that uphold intact systems and using that patterning and language to create \\xa0systems be it food systems, social systems, economic systems \\u2013 what ever it is \\u2013 a landscape system \\xa0- that mimic those patterns of nature in order to create functional systems that are honouring life, earth and people. Robina Passing on her Experience Robina, says that as an elder after 35 years at the cutting edge of the wave, that in passing on information to the younger generation she is finding them hungry, savvy and quick to embed the old earth wisdom. That by passing over the baton to our planetary youth they realise that we have to take sustainability to a new level of enduring prosperity and deep ecology. That it is time to take stock and actively and consciously pass on the skills of regeneration to younger people who are ripe and ready and who Robina says has another blueprint than her. It\\u2019s like they have come into the world with a better knowing and the dedication to make a better world for them and future generations \\u2013 in ways that she does not conceive of. This being an intergenerational shift of wisdom deep knowledge and life energy. Sun, seasons, wind, gravity, soil, tree belts, building materials, position, soil structure, microbes \\u2013 and as a community etc. \\xa0 Courtney talks about that many people who also turn up to Permaculture gatherings is that they have land that has been broken down and they want to turn these around and make them far better and viable. Because Permaculture is a solution based design system \\u2013 they are always looking at grounded innovation. Be it a land based system or a social system \\u2013 they are looking at how nature works out these situations. Or As Courtney says looking at the book of nature and the underlying patterns that uphold intact systems. What Robin says from her perspective of Permaculture these days - it's now Social Permaculture. Since the late 1970\\u2019s the focus has been on the landscape \\xa0- transforming the landscape into productive , functional; sustainable systems \\u2013 and she says that the weak link has been the people, hence the evolution of a people component \\xa0and teachers like Robin Clayfield http://dynamicgroups.com.au/about-us/ in Australia and \\xa0 Starhark http://starhawk.org in the USA \\xa0 and Looby McNamara in the UK http://loobymacnamara.com/home/ (Plus Robina here in NZ). This is by applying the permaculture principles of design and integrating it all into social systems \\u2013 so that the can be really resilient. Check their web sites. Invisible Structures Bill Mollison the initiator of Permaculture also did a chapter on invisible structures \\u2013 legal systems, how to communicate and how to do governance - to bring about sustainable communities, where you are land based as kaitiaki \\u2013 care takers of land. Food production on the land and building soil fertility \\u2013 having thriving children and families that are intact Research global eco-village network. https://ecovillage.org it\\u2019s a very good source of community resources and info \\u2013 plus models of what to follow. Sacred Earth festival \\xa0URL \\xa0\\xa0http://kawaipurapura.co.nz/voices-of-sacred-earth-festival/ What has happened since the Christchurch Earthquake - is that it is now being called \\u201cthe edible garden city.\\u201d Some Councils in NZ have sustainability as one of their platforms and \\xa0this is where Permaculture can back into their Sustainability Department and offer them their experience. Robina relates to her work with Project Lyttleton www.lyttelton.net.nz/ - giving permaculture workshops nearly every weekend to the affected people of that city \\u2013 and tells a very emotional story of her connection to the city of her birth \\u2013 and that grass roots organisations may hold the key to that city. Transition Towns also is mentioned as we deal with the increase of climate change and where it is going. \\xa0\\xa0\\xa0http://www.transitiontowns.org.nz How do we mobilise a country to come together as a conscious ecological community at one and aligned with the land. The subject of Nuclear Free Zones comes up as a grass root movement so does the ideal of having GE and GMO Zones as well and what are the catalysts to instil in people the need to take care of our children\\u2019s future. Robina said pre Christchurch earthquake people in say supermarket queues talked about the weather \\u2013 post earthquake - \\xa0the shift was immense \\u2013 they showed deep concern for all people they stopped and talked with them \\u2013 there was a level of commitment as they inquired caringly about each other. What is the catalyst for rapid compassionate change? What is it that will magnetise the community to wake up to their unity as the sharers of breath in our common future. Robina surmises \\u2013 do we need an inner earthquake to snap us out of our dream spell of disconnection? So that we rise to the occasion of giving and or service to make the change that we at heart would love to witness and be part of.\\xa0 There is a big awakening around our planet \\u2013 however many, though they are concerned and care are still not sure what to do and put their energy into. So Robina says \\u2013 what is your passion? Just go and push the edge and step out. \\xa0And if our intent is pure that in the spirit of goodwill, the world of nature and the \\u2018invisible\\u2019 does its part in coming in and just holding hands with us by opening up new territories and giving gifts and bestowing on us so much energy that you never look back \\u2026 www.Localisingfood.com \\xa0- project around nz \\xa0\\xa0SOS save our seeds. Documentary \\xa0\\xa0Videos and short stories on this web site \\u2013 global impact Plus food forests growing in public places around the country Courtney says she would dearly like us to become ancestors that future people will be proud to descend from \\u2026 She also speaks so elegantly and in the flow with a youthful yet wise exuberance. This was a delightful interview of Robina & Courtney \\xa0- lots of passion and emotion - the salt of the earth. https://earthcare-education.org/wp_earthcare/about-us/robina-mccurdy/"