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b'This week\\u2019s guest is Jose Ramos, Hannah\\u2019s husband from her episode two weeks ago. Jose\\u2019s family converted to Independent Fundamentalist Baptist and his father became a pastor. They were taught that the IFB had the \\u201cpure word of God,\\u201d and it was\\xa0their\\xa0purpose to evangelize and change the world. Throughout his teens, Jose\\u2019s only rebellion was, \\u201clike a month partying with [his] brothers.\\u201d Later, he went to Bible College, and then started preaching. He met Hannah and took over his father\\u2019s Spanish speaking church. Studying the Bible for ministry, however, brought more questions and doubts. Over the next year, he continued preaching but knew he didn\\u2019t believe. He left the ministry and later told Hannah why. After another hard and depressive year, he knew he was agnostic. Jose gave Hannah the space to go on her own journey. They still attended church as a family, but he did not try to change her. Today, their stories can give comfort to other couples facing religious doubts and uncertainties. Jose\\u2019s honesty and vulnerability show the grace and goodness in his own human heart. No more looking forward to heaven or fearing hell, simply being present in each movement and looking for the beauty that\\u2019s found there. Recommendations Books #PaidLinks Sapiens\\xa0by Yuval Noah Harari
https://amzn.to/3xuaddv (Also available in graphic novel form)
https://amzn.to/319PbEF
https://amzn.to/3E93tV2 Homo Deus\\xa0by Yuval Noah Harari
https://amzn.to/3CXUNiF Podcasts Sam Harris\\u2019 Making Sense
https://www.samharris.org/ Links Hannah\\u2019s episode
https://gracefulatheist.com/2021/11/14/hannah-ramos-unequally-yoked-to-deconverted/ Clergy Project
https://clergyproject.org/ Interact Deconversion
https://gracefulatheist.com/2017/12/03/deconversion-how-to/Secular Grace
https://gracefulatheist.com/2016/10/21/secular-grace/ Attribution "Waves" track written and produced by Makaih Beats
https://makaihbeats.net/'