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In Episode 169 (https://getagriponlighting.com/episode-169-it-might-it-might-not-al-uszynski) we discussed a number of predictions for the industry this year, Michael’s thoughts on Edward Bartholomew’s prediction drew a reaction from a few of our colleagues and we thought the best way to unpack that would be with Edward himself. While his thoughts on growing inclusion in the lighting industry were more aspirational than anything else; we do need to consider where last year’s statements in solidarity of protests in the US and this month’s statements for black history month. They’re nice and reassuring, but without follow-up action they are worse than meaningless.