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b"Taylor Otwell is the creator and maintainer of the popular Laravel PHP framework and the author of the Leanpub book Laravel: From Apprentice To Artisan.\\n\\nIn this interview, Leanpub co-founder Len Epp talks with Taylor about changes to Laravel and developments in the Laravel community since their original interview nearly five years ago, in September 2013. They also discuss Taylor's unique and successful approach to using Patreon, and the importance of working on the hard things first in new software projects, amongst other things, including Star Trek.\\n\\nThis interview was recorded on August 24, 2018.\\n\\nThe full audio for the interview is here. You can subscribe to the Frontmatter podcast in iTunes or add the podcast URL directly.\\n\\nThis interview has been edited for conciseness and clarity."