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In this modern world we are constantly told to be afraid of all the new viruses coming our way. We often worry about it from a physical perspective and maybe not think about the spiritual nature behind viruses. you might think the spiritual might not have to do much with what seems part of our natural world but I think we have many things to consider. Author and researcher Drew Graffia joins us in this amazing conversation where we focus on this specific subject. And as always, plenty of little rabbit holes were chased. Lets get to it and as always don't forget to spread the fire.