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In part two of my conversation with Special Makeup Effects legend Howard Berger we discuss how he became involved with The Orville. Howard tells the listeners about the initial makeup testing day with Seth MacFarlane and Jon Favreau. He also highlights how he earns production's trust which enables him to continuously think outside the box with his creations. We also discuss his work on Legion and how they came up with the designs and final makeups for the Minotaur and Vermillion.  Lastly, Howard answers fan questions to close the show.