Joel & Marshall interview Mike Shellenberger, author of Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All. In the book he 'unleashes a scientific, fact-based broadside against eco-alarmism and the excesses of the left, arguing that climate change and other environmental problems are real but not apocalyptic and require practical, not radical, solutions.'In this talk the three explore a broader conversation about problems in the social and political fabric of California, the subject of censorship in the mainstream media, and the ideology behind the ruling social and political trends in the US and how the widespread “apocalyptic mindset" is making our problems worse. Learn more about Mike's book, Apocalypse Never: Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All: https://amzn.to/3fqRW67Join the 'Beyond Feudalism' Facebook group to share your story, ask questions and connect with other citizen leaders: https://www.facebook.com/groups/beyondfeudalismTweet thoughts: @joelkotkin, @mtoplansky, #FeudalFuture #BeyondFeudalismLearn more about Joel's book 'The Coming of Neo-Feudalism': https://amzn.to/3a1VV87Sign Up For News & Alerts: http://joelkotkin.com/#subscribeThis show is presented by the Chapman Center for Demographics and Policy, which focuses on research and analysis of global, national and regional demographic trends and explores policies that might produce favorable demographic results over time.