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b'"I think there are some people who are afraid that the truth will hurt the economy. That if we let CDC speak the truth, that will hurt stock prices, that will hurt people\'s jobs and the manufacturing sector. But even when the truth may hurt, even when it\'s painful, we\'ve got to know the truth. And right now, people are taking steps to keep CDC from speaking the truth.\\u201d -Dr. Mark Rosenberg\\n\\nIn this episode,\\xa0our co-hosts Dr. Celine Gounder and Ron Klain speak to former CDC scientists Dr. Mark Rosenberg and Dr. Jim Curran about the CDC\\u2019s lack of action during the COVID pandemic, and how CDC guidelines and research have been suppressed and muzzled. They discuss\\xa0the agency\\u2019s complicated history with politicians, parallels with the HIV epidemic, what\\u2019s happening to the CDC\\u2019s work in the time of COVID, and what\\u2019s at stake when politics take precedent over science.\\xa0Dr. Mark Rosenberg is a retired medical epidemiologist with the CDC and President Emeritus of the Task Force for Global Health. Dr. Jim Curran led the CDC\\u2019s HIV/AIDS Division before becoming an Assistant Surgeon General and now Dean of the Rollins School of Public Health at Emory University.\\n\\nThis podcast was created by Just Human Productions. We\'re powered and distributed by Simplecast. We\'re supported, in part, by listeners like you.\\n\\n#SARSCoV2 #COVID19 #COVID #coronavirus'