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DevOps Cafe Ep. 62 - Guests: Mary and Tom Poppendieck
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John and Damon talk to Mary and Tom Poppendieck about their groundbreaking work translating Lean product development\\xa0principles to software development, "The Seven Deadly Sins", containers to reduce friction, their best-selling books, and what keeps them from actually retiring.
\\nShow notes at\\xa0http://devopscafe.org
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