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The last time Phineas Fisher agreed to an interview with Motherboard, they made us recreate the whole thing with a puppet. 

This time around, Phineas Fisher\\u2014one of the world\\u2019s most wanted hackers\\u2014wanted to make a statement on CYBER to deny he\\u2019s an agent of the Kremlin.

Phineas Fisher is the hacker\\u2019s hacker that nobody knows. In fact, nobody even knows if they are just one person, or several people. All we know is Phineas Fisher has hacked, embarrassed, and exposed some of the world\\u2019s most powerful spyware companies that have connections to the FBI, the DEA, and dozens of other law enforcement and spy agencies all around the world. 

And Phineas Fisher has completely gotten away with it. 

Throughout these exploits, Motherboard\'sLorenzo Francheschi-Bicchierai has been one of the few reporters to make contact with the hacker several times. Recently, Phineas Fisher got in touch with him again, but this time to deny a recent allegation that he\\u2019s Russian intelligence operation made in Joseph Menn\\u2019s new book on hacktivism.

On this week\\u2019s CYBER re-run, Lorenzo sits down with host Ben Makuch to take you through the murky history of Phineas Fisher\\u2019s hacks, then the infamous hacktivist speaks.

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