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Episode #4 is a whirlwind conversation that takes us across continents and into numerous topics ranging from consulting to personality frameworks to poetry. This conversation may touch on an array of seemingly unrelated topics, but the common thread is a genuine curiosity and desire to understand those around us. Kurt is a friend whose confidence and ability to listen inspires those who have the pleasure of interacting with him. We discuss the "typical" and "atypical" stages of his life, his first hand experience with the catholic and protestant churches in Brazil, building an intimate relationship via letter writing and numerous other hopefully, engaging topics. In addition, David and I publicly introduce, for the very first time, the "4 S's". It is a personality framework developed by Bellingham, Bellingham, and Firmin in the Fall of 2018 right here in NYC. Kurt gives us his thoughts on which "S" he is and gives us thoughts on our "S's". This episode is a whirlwind that will leave you pondering love, poetry and personalities!