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b"This month on the Cucumber Podcast, Sal Freudenberg and Matt Wynne speak to Rebecca Wirfs Brock. Rebecca is probably best known as an author of Designing Object-Oriented Software (1990) and Object Design (2002) and works as an independent software consultant based in Portland.\\n\\nFor the past couple of months, Rebecca has occasionally jumped on the Cucumber Pro Mob (mob programming) to watch the team, observe the team's heuristics, and contribute to the product. The conversation follows that journey and how other teams out there can notice their own heuristics and ultimately deliver higher-quality software. \\n\\nYou can find Rebecca on Twitter - https://twitter.com/rebeccawb"