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In this episode, pre-Ukraine war, we have a long rambling conversation with Mark Newman about the hack-ability of the human mind, othering, and reaching people. And we have our First Ever Song! If you want more information on how to talk to people, visit reachingpeople.net. Sylvia and I were being well taken care of during this recording, with children bringing us baked goods and husbands pouring us gin and tonic. These stories are partly meant to be a record of history. It's amazing now, only 3 weeks on, to think there was no war in Ukraine, no concept of the next event to engulf our imaginations and destroy people's lives, when we recorded this conversation. That in itself is extra-ordinary and we should reflect on it. Lots of love to you. Stay sane. ❤