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Artist and designer Zo\\xeb Pawlak knew in childhood that life in suburbia wasn\\u2019t the whole picture, so she saved her babysitting money to spend some time in Chile with relatives. The experience opened the door to fine art and after studying painting in high school and college, a pregnancy dictated she must put her skills to work professionally. Successful in her painting, she is now making a name as a rug designer also. With 2 \\xbd years of sobriety going for her she is joyful and fully present. What a gift!

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