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b"In this #LeadershipDeepDive episode, Phil Jordan, Group CIO of Sainsbury's, talks with Hendrik Deckers about digital transformation in a multi brand and multi channel retail business, challenges of such change, getting the most out of enormous amounts of customer data and legacy management. Phil also shares his view on gaining flexibility while using multi-cloud. \\nThroughout this conversation, Phil talks about the importance of transparency and fairness and how these values helped him to become a true leader of change.\\nDeep dive in this interview to learn and be inspired by Phil Jordan!\\n\\nTABLE OF CONTENTS\\n01:18 | Introduction: Phil Jordan\\u2019s background\\n02:27 | About Sainsbury\\u2019s\\n02:58 | Transformation\\n03:53 | Transformation - biggest challenge in Telefonica\\n05:33 | Transformations - making all the necessary changes in a company with long tradition\\n07:50 | Sainsbury\\u2019s culture of change\\n09:00 | Transformations - becoming an ecosystem\\n10:15 | Facilitating the transformation\\n13:37 | Transformation - from project to product\\n15:08 | Happier teams\\n16:35 | Managing legacy\\n18:09 | Cloud - current status\\n20:17 | Cloud - managing multi-cloud\\n22:02 | Customer data - getting the most of it\\n24:45 | Customer data - using advanced technologies\\n26:46 | Strategy on Open Source\\n28:28 | New exciting domains in technology\\n30:18 | New technologies - customer limitations\\n31:46 | Internal organization\\n33:54 | Phil\\u2019s role and value to the company\\n35:28 | The future of CIO and CTO in the business and Phil's plans for the future\\n39:53 | Phil\\u2019s management style\\n42:22 | Phil\\u2019s leadership style\\n43:44 | MBTI Profile \\u2013 Architect\\n45:51 | Phil\\u2019s ways to relax\\n47:12 | Phil\\u2019s core values\\n48:10 | Phil\\u2019s mentors\\n50:02 | Ups and downs\\n57:09 | What makes Phil happy\\n58:38 | Advice for people starting out"