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b'ATTN: This week we have a guest host - CDT\\u2019s Director of Surveillance & Security, Greg Nojeim. Greg sits down with Dr. Thorsten Wetzling, the head of research for the German think tank, Stiftung Neue Verantwortung (SNV).\\n\\nGreg and Thorsten have a fascinating conversation about government surveillance practices in the US and in countries across Europe, with Thorsten currently researching the democratization and professionalization of intelligence governance in Germany and Europe.\\n\\nMore on SNV: https://www.stiftung-nv.de/\\n\\nMore on Dr. Thorsten Wetzling: https://twitter.com/twetzling\\nMore on Greg Nojeim: https://cdt.org/about/staff/greg-nojeim/\\nMore on our host, Brian: bit.ly/cdtbrian\\n\\nAttribution: sounds used from Psykophobia, Taira Komori, BenKoning, Zabuhailo, bloomypetal, guitarguy1985, bmusic92, and offthesky of freesound.org.'