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It's not often that a poet's first paid piece of writing jumps to the top of the New York Times bestseller lists. Kate Baer's did. Her first book, What Kind of Woman was published in 2020 and followed shortly by a book of erasure poetry, I Hope This Finds You Well (2021). Both tackle the underlying treatment of women and mothers in modern society.

Even if you haven't picked up one of her books (yet), you've probably seen her work, which regularly goes viral online. She joins Kassia to talk about:

\\u2022 The slow burn of being lost, overwhelmed, and undervalued as a woman and mother
\\u2022 The unreasonable expectations that society places on women and the support it fails to provide
\\u2022 The unglamorous realities of writing (hint: lots of misogyny, failures, emotional labor, and some very expensive childcare)

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