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Join us as we speak with Mark Gober and discuss his books: An End to Upside Down Thinking, An End to Upside Down Living and An End to Upside Down Politics. We explore both science and spirituality, from the paranormal, the \u201cclairs\u201d and telepathy to the latest data from respected institutions that demonstrate the validity of people\u2019s experiences. He then applies his research to show the juxtaposition between how we have been programmed and conditioned to think, live and understand politics, and a better way forward, one which is more harmonious, connected and alive.

Your hosts for Blue Soul CHATS\u2122 are modern mystics, authors, teachers, and retreat leaders Renee & Anthony. They are the voices behind Blue Soul Earth\xae and Study with Spirit\xae courses and workshops. They lead sacred retreats around the world and are hosts and producers of Blue Soul Summit\xae, an online video series where you can watch the video interviews you see here on the podcast, often with free gifts and resources from the speakers. Check out \u2060www.bluesoulsummit.com \u2060to register for the latest season (video interviews are free for a limited time window). Find out their other offerings at \u2060www.bluesoulearth.com\u2060,\u2060 www.studywithspirit.com\u2060, and \u2060www.bluesoulmedia.com. \u2060