S3, Ep. 07: Is religion really just like soccer or book club? Responding to the oral arguments in Carson v. Makin

Published: Dec. 17, 2021, 10:13 p.m.

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It\\u2019s a frustrating day at the Supreme Court when several justices seem not to care about the reasons religion gets special treatment in our constitutional system. Amanda and Holly share audio clips and their reaction to the oral arguments in Carson v. Makin, including spotting some faux outrage from the justices and how six justices seem poised to chart a new and troublesome direction in church-state law. They talk about obvious differences between determining protecting free exercise of religion and requiring taxpayer funding of religious education. In segment three, Amanda and Holly share how they are welcoming the holidays.

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SHOW NOTES:
Segment one: Why should religion be treated differently? (starting at 00:55):

Amanda and Holly previewed the oral arguments in\\xa0Carson v. Makin\\xa0in episode 5:\\xa0What\\u2019s the problem with the government funding religious education?\\xa0

Amanda shared her first impressions of the oral arguments on Twitter. You can read her thread\\xa0here. You can follow her on Twitter\\xa0@AmandaTylerBJC.\\xa0

We played the following clips from the oral arguments, available\\xa0at this link.

*Michael Bindas, attorney for the challenge to Maine\\u2019s program: 1:31-2:09
*Justice Brett Kavanaugh and Deputy Solicitor General Malcolm Stewart, arguing on behalf of the Biden administration 1:31:36-1:32:46

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Segment two: Is this a choice program? Is there discrimination between different religions? (starting at 14:40)

We played the following clips from the oral arguments, available\\xa0at this link:

*Christopher Taub, attorney defending Maine\\u2019s program: 42:54-44:14
*Justice Elena Kagan: 29:15-30:04, and then 30:30-31:17

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Segment three: The advent of the holiday season (starting at 29:08)

Amanda and Holly talked about this\\xa0New York Times\\xa0piece by Tish Harrison Warren:\\xa0I\\u2019m not ready for Christmas. I need to take a minute.\\xa0

Amanda wrote a devotional for\\xa0Word & Way\\u2019s Unsettling Advent series. You can\\xa0read her devotional here, and\\xa0read the entire series here. Subscribe to get future editions sent to your inbox.\\xa0

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