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b'A\\xa0computer virus that bombards you with pop-up ads is one thing. A computer virus that shuts down a city\\u2019s electric grid is another. Welcome to the new generation of cybercrime. Discover what it will take to protect our power, communication and transportation systems as scientists try to stay ahead of hackers in an ever-escalating game of cat and mouse.\\nThe expert who helped decipher the centrifuge-destroying Stuxnet virus tells us what he thinks is next. Also convenience vs. vulnerability as we connect to the Internet of Everything. And, the journalist who wrote that Google was \\u201cmaking us stupid,\\u201d says automation is extracting an even higher toll: we\\u2019re losing basic skills. Such as how to fly airplanes.\\nGuests:\\n\\u2022\\xa0\\xa0Ray Sims \\u2013 Computer Technician, Computer Courage, Berkeley, California\\n\\u2022\\xa0\\xa0Eric Chien \\u2013 Technical Director of Security Technology and Response, Symantec\\n\\u2022\\xa0\\xa0Paul Jacobs \\u2013 Chairman and CEO of Qualcomm\\n\\u2022\\xa0\\xa0Shankar Sastry \\u2013 Dean of the College of Engineering, University of California, Berkeley, director of TRUST\\n\\n\\u2022\\xa0\\xa0Nicholas Carr \\u2013 Author of The Shallows: What the Internet Is Doing to Our Brains and the forthcoming \\u201cThe Glass Cage\\u201d. His article, \\u201cThe Great Forgetting,\\u201d is in the November 2013 issue of The Atlantic.\\n\\xa0\\nFirst released November 11, 2013.\\nLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices'