In part two of our interview with cultural anthropologist Natasha Dow Sch\xfcll, author of Addiction by Design, we learn what gamblers are really after a lot of the time \u2014 it\u2019s not money. And it\u2019s the same thing we\u2019re looking for when we mindlessly open up Facebook or Twitter. How can we design products so that we\u2019re not taking advantage of these universal urges and vulnerabilities but using them to help us? Tristan, Aza and Natasha explore ways we could shift our thinking about making and using technology.