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Rabbi Kivelevitz and Rabbi Worch reach into their own personal histories,and parenting choices in discussing the true meaning of the adjuration of Chazal in Pirkei Avos\u05e8\u05b7\u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05d9 \u05e0\u05b0\u05d4\u05d5\u05b9\u05e8\u05b8\u05d0\u05b4\u05d9 \u05d0\u05d5\u05b9\u05de\u05b5\u05e8: \u05d4\u05b1\u05d5\u05b5\u05d9 \u05d2\u05d5\u05b9\u05dc\u05b6\u05d4 \u05dc\u05b4\u05de\u05b0\u05e7\u05d5\u05b9\u05dd \u05ea\u05bc\u05d5\u05b9\u05e8\u05b8\u05d4, \u05d5\u05b0\u05d0\u05b7\u05dc \u05ea\u05bc\u05b9\u05d0\u05de\u05b7\u05e8 \u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05d4\u05b4\u05d9\u05d0 \u05ea\u05b8\u05d1\u05d5\u05b9\u05d0 \u05d0\u05b7\u05d7\u05b2\u05e8\u05b6\u05bd\u05d9\u05da\u05b8, \u05e9\u05c1\u05b6\u05d7\u05b2\u05d1\u05b5\u05e8\u05b6\u05bd\u05d9\u05da\u05b8 \u05d9\u05b0\u05e7\u05b7\u05d9\u05bc\u05b0\u05de\u05bd\u05d5\u05bc\u05d4\u05b8 \u05d1\u05b0\u05d9\u05b8\u05d3\u05b6\u05bd\u05da\u05b8, \u05d5\u05b0\u05d0\u05b6\u05dc \u05d1\u05bc\u05b4\u05d9\u05e0\u05b8\u05ea\u05b0\u05da\u05b8 \u05d0\u05b7\u05dc\u05ea\u05bc\u05b4\u05e9\u05bc\u05c1\u05b8\u05e2\u05b5\u05df.Was Rebbe Nehurai counselling a student to leave his place specifically when his Makom was not a place of Torah? This was the explanation of the Mishnah given by most of the Medieval Commentators-Rashi -Rambam-Rabbeinu Yonahsee heredown to the Bartenura and Rav Chanoch Zundel(The Eitz Yosef).A more novel interpretation was put forward by Rav Yisroel Lipschutzherestating that even if there are teachers and a viable institution where a person was born and raised, the only way for him to blossom into greatness,is to leave friends and family behind ,and find through struggle and sacrifice his mature attitudes and strengths as a thinker and Talmid Chocham.Rabbi Kivelevitz notes that Lipschutz's words have guided generations of young people and their parents to send their children away,but at what he feels has been a great price that the present generation cannot afford to pay.Rabbi Worch challenges his co-host, stating that the major accomplishments of Kivelevitz's life are due to his having left home at thirteen to face the crucible of the ultra competitive,demanding military school air that was fostered in Ner Israel of Baltimore.Worch wonders if Kivelevitz would have ever been driven to amass knowledge and work on becoming a Dayan,had he been still pampered at home.Rabbi Kivelevitz believes he would have absorbed more human skills and compassion,and not slid into the hard cynical shell,that adolescents had to build for themselves to survive the onslaught on identity that being away fosters.He regrets the years spent away from his parent's wisdom,and points to Torah Giants of the 20th and 21st centuries(Rav Soloveichick and the recently deceased Rav Yaakov Perlow)who thrived under home influences.Rabbi Worch feels that those exceptions prove the rule,and while some students for emotional and social reasons need the comforts of the local small-town Yeshiva,the system now in place; the exclusive prep school Mesivta where the best and the brightest from across the land aspire to attend, is the best guarantor for Gedolim in the future.While not denying the greatness that has emerged from Philadelphia or Telshe Alumni,Rabbi Kivelevitz worries about the social and community skills that only receive proper tending when students are able to frequently return home.Rabbi Worch explains why he decided to send his oldest son away,to literally walk in his father's footsteps,and why he feels no regrets.Please leave us a review or email us at ravkiv@gmail.comFor more information on this podcast visityeshivaofnewark.jewishpodcasts.org See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information. This podcast has been graciously sponsored by JewishPodcasts.fm. There is much overhead to maintain this service so please help us continue our goal of helping Jewish lecturers become podcasters and support us with a donation: https://thechesedfund.com/jewishpodcasts/donate