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It might seem like a small, even\nsimple fix, to attach an AR device to a hardhat, but according to\nTrimble\u2019s Mixed Reality expert, Jordan Lawver, such a simple fix\nexponentially expands the capabilities of folks working in heavy\nindustry. He drops by to explain to Alan how that is, and how AR can\ntake things even further as it goes hands-free.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAlan: Welcome to the XR for\nBusiness Podcast. Today\u2019s show, we interview Jordan Lawver, head of\nmixed reality at Trimble.\nThey\u2019ve got a number of different solutions for the construction\nworker that leverage the Microsoft Hololens 2, the XR10, which is\ntheir new wonderful hardhat based augmented reality/mixed reality\nheadset. So all that coming up. And more on the XR for Business\nPodcast. \n\n\n\n\nHey, everyone. My name\u2019s Alan Smithson.\nToday, we\u2019re speaking with Jordan Lawver. Jordan, welcome to the\nshow, my friend.\n\n\n\nJordan: Hey, Alan, good morning.\nThanks for having me.\n\n\n\nAlan: Oh, it\u2019s my absolute\npleasure. I\u2019m really excited. And I wish this was show and tell,\nbecause what do you have sitting right on your desk right now?\n\n\n\nJordan: So you just let the cat\nout the bag. We\u2019ve got an XR10, sitting here right in front of me.\nAnd I promise it\u2019s not the only one in the world. We\u2019re starting to\nramp these guys up and get them ready to go out onto a job site near\nyou.\n\n\n\nAlan: What is the XR10?\n\n\n\nJordan: So I imagine that most people that listen to your podcast are pretty familiar with the Hololens 2, that Microsoft has announced that they plan to start shipping later this year. So what we did is, is we hopped on board with Microsoft kind of from the start, maybe mid last year. And we wanted to find a way that we could take the Hololens 2, and adapt it for use out in kind of safety controlled environment. Our focus is on construction, but of course, there\u2019s many mixed reality customers out there in oil and gas, and manufacturing, and other kinds of heavy industries that require PPE \u2014 Personal Protective Equipment \u2014 when they\u2019re out on the site. So whether that\u2019s safety glass, or hardhat protection, or chin straps, or earmuffs, we wanted to make an integration that took the Hololens 2 and all of its capabilities, and made it able to work with folks out in those industries. So we essentially OEMed the Hololens 2 components from Microsoft and we bolted it into a new form factor that slides down on top of kind of an industry-standard hardhat, and still enables you to use your over your hearing protection, chin straps, all that other type of gear that people need to keep them safe out on the site.\n\n\n\nAlan: We have HL2 + PPE = XR10.\n\n\n\nJordan: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It\u2019s not our first go at this. We actually made a hardhat attachment for the first Hololens. You know, we weren\u2019t there on the ground level from release \u2014 like we are at this time \u2014 but Hololens 1 came out, and a bunch of people ran with it and said \u201cOK, what can actually use this for?\u201d And as you know, most of the use cases that emerged were very enterprise-focused. And in many of those heavy industries that I mentioned, we were creating software from day one, first for architects with our SketchUp viewer app, but then moving out onto onsite construction with our Trimble Connect app. And we realized very quickly that we just weren\u2019t going to sell any software, because no one could take a Hololens 1 and fit it under a hardhat out on the site. So at that time, we worked with Microsoft, and we basically built clips that would retrofit an off-the-shelf Hololens 1 up into a hardhat. And it sold like hotcakes, people were all over it. And then when Alex Kipm