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We\u2019ve had a lot of people from a lot\nof different industries on XR for Business, and many of them have\nespoused how much things are going to change when the world finally\nhas a global 5G network to work on. Well, in today\u2019s episode, we have\none of the folks responsible for laying the groundwork for that\nnetwork \u2014 Nokia\u2019s Sandro Tavares \u2014 on to talk about how that\u2019s\ncoming along.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nAlan: Thank you for joining the\nXR for Business Podcast with your host, Alan Smithson. Today\u2019s guest\nis Sandro Tavares, and Sandro is with Nokia. He has more than 20\nyears of international experience in the telecoms industry, with the\npast 18 working with the Nokia family of companies. He\u2019s had several\nkey roles that have been integral in shaping the latest evolution\nsteps in the mobile industry and communicating these advances to\nNokia service provider customers around the world. He is currently\nthe Head of Mobile Networks Marketing, a position in which he leads a\nglobal team focused on promoting Nokia solutions for mobile networks,\nincluding 5G. To learn more about the great work that Sandro and his\nteam at Nokia are doing, you can visit nokia.com\nand if you want to dig even deeper, you can just type in \u201cNokia\n5G\u201d into Google. \n\n\n\n\nSandro, welcome to the show.\n\n\n\nSandro: Thank you very much,\nAlan. Thanks for having me.\n\n\n\nAlan: It\u2019s my absolute pleasure.\nI\u2019m super excited about this. We\u2019ve had people from telcos, people\nfrom industry. We\u2019ve had all sorts of great people on the show. But\nwe\u2019ve never had somebody from a company that is building the literal\ninfrastructure that all of XR will run on. And that\u2019s 5G.\n\n\n\nSandro: Yeah, that\u2019s great to\nhear. Really an honor to be here and to be the first one discussing\nthis topic with you guys.\n\n\n\nAlan: So tell us, what are you\nguys doing at Nokia? Why will this impact XR?\n\n\n\nSandro: Well, I would say that probably a lot of the listeners, they know Nokia for the devices, right? From the cell phones in the past and the early stages of the smartphones. But Nokia has actual history that goes much beyond that. It\u2019s a company that was founded 150 years ago. It started as a paper mill in the countryside of Finland. It has evolved through several different industries. And in the last decades, it has been focused on technology. So our two biggest businesses in the past were the handset business, so the devices, the cell phones as we know them, and then the networks that actually support these devices. So the networks that are provided to service providers, operators all over the world. Then after Nokia has divested these devices business few years ago, then we focused 100 percent on our networks business. And this is what we are doing now. We build basically all generations of telecommunications in the past, and now we are heavily focused on making 5G a reality. And that\u2019s where basically what takes my time throughout most of the days, just talking to customers and discussing about the benefits that 5G will bring to the world, that just goes much beyond just providing broadband. And looking to the applications that can be built with 5G, quite a lot of them are actually going to be enabled by XR technologies. So you can think about a myriad of applications where XR, AR, and VR are going to be important and that are going to be leveraging 5G to actually get brought to the market and delivered to customers.\n\n\n\nAlan: Obviously I\u2019m a little biased, being the XR for Business Podcast. Let\u2019s dive into some of those use cases. Let\u2019s take a broad. I was told real millimeter-wave 5G in its perfect condition will be able to be 100 to 1000 times faster than what