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In **Episode 51** Holly and Gemma tackle the ultimate taboo of incest, then take it to the next level in cases that led to murder. Holly chats through the story of the Bakeland family, who in a weird 'butterfly effect' sort of way eventually led to a Sea Turtle getting something extracted from it's nostrils. Gemma speaks about Ryan Wyngarden who was eventually convicted for murdering his sister, who he was a bit too close with growing up. Gemma is totally high on energy drinks for this entire episode and introduces herself to Holly, who meanwhile is professionally choking on her dinner during recording. Turns out Producer Craig can even hear whisper burbs through his equipment.

Promo from the lovely people over at [**Real Life Real Crime Podcast**](https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/real-life-real-crime/id1451676874), give them a listen!\xa0

Production, recording and now FLAG WAVING (yes, he finally got his producer flag) done with amazing enthusiasm (given he remains only paid in flags) by Producer Craig. This week he had to keep the girls on track for the entire many hours of recording and we've never seen him as close to throwing a cat at us before.\xa0\xa0

Holly edited this week. All complaints should be mailed to Producer Craig.

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WARNING - Explicit language, content and themes (plus whatever else will cover us legally). All opinions stated are our own and case information was gathered from legitimate sources within the public realm.

Recorded in a secret location somewhere in Scotland